Trash, Talent & Timing | Katie K on Comedy Everywhere | Ep. 66

Comedian and actress Katie K joins Mosaic Minds Podcast for an episode full of chaos, comedy, and career moves. From wrestling in 42 batches of Jell-O to landing a spot on America’s Got Talent, Katie shows how talent, timing, and a little bit of trash can lead to treasure.

We cover her Dry Bar Comedy special that’s been stuck in the Top 10 since release, her newest special with LMAOF, and the viral comedy album “I Am the Trash.” Katie also opens up about building a career on both clean and spicy material, why reading the room matters, and how short clips can open massive doors.

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Welcome back to another episode of Mosaic Minds Podcast. If you are watching this, you must be watching it on YouTube. So, make sure that you subscribe to the channel and click the bell so that you can get any kind of notification whenever an episode drops or we go live, anything like that. And if you're listening, please make sure to follow us on your favorite streaming platform. And if you could leave a fivestar review with a little bit of writing after it, really helps us out a lot. Today we have actress and comedian Katie Kay on the show. She is originally from Arkansas and now based in Los Angeles. Her Dry Bar comedy special, Surviving Not Thriving, has remained on the top 10 Dry Bar app since its release. Her edgy comedy special LMAF Comedy showcases her unfiltered comedy side and her comedy album I am the Trash airs regularly on SiriusXM. Katie tours nationally in comedy clubs, universities, and festivals. Happy to have her on the show tonight. Let's go ahead and get into it. Everywhere.[Music] We're here to explore. With every exchange, we crave even more. Diverse perspectives are guiding in the well of ideas we play. It is going to be a good day. It is going to be positive. The sun's rising today. You know, we're going to have a great day regardless of weather, attitude, or anything else.[Music] Dreams interwine. Uncover the layers. Let the realness shine. Each tale a treasure. Each question the guide in this space of connection. Let's take the ride. Moments of wonder.[Music] Katie, can you tell us a little bit more about that and then about your background? Yeah, I had a joke in my standup that you can hear on my album as well about someone sliding into my DMs and how people thought, okay, like if people want pictures of your armpits on Instagram, like maybe you should think about selling feet pics or pit pics on Only Fans. So, I've been telling a joke about Only Fans. And then Only Fans, the platform, started producing comedy specials. And one of their most successful specials that they produced was with Matt Refe. And so it really put them on the map for not just spicy content. And they started doing multiple releases with, you know, 10 comics at a time. So they'll have like eight to 10 comics on a show and do 15 minute mini specials. So, I was selected for one of those tapings and taped it live in Pasadena um a few months ago and it just got released last month and they keep putting out some like new clips and stuff. So, you can definitely find that on OFTV if you search KDK. You don't need to subscribe to Only Fans to see this special. You can just click the link and it's right there. So, that's really cool. Yeah, that's So, they're trying to kind of rebrand themselves it seems like. Yeah, they're trying to get back to their roots of bonus exclusive content similar to Patreon and not just um softcore porn. Yeah. Right. That's cool. So, can you tell us a little bit about how you got into comedy in the first place? And and then was that something that happened before you met your husband or did you kind of pull him in or did he pull you in? How did that work? It was kind of simultaneous comedy and meeting him because I had just gone through a rough breakup and I was already doing improv and comedy acting. And then I was like, you know what, I have so much angst and material and I'm tired of waiting on my agent to get me auditions. So, I'm going to write my own jokes. I'm going to perform my own material and not wait for someone else to call me. And then I met him shortly after I started doing standup um because I was then single out on the town swiping away on Tinder. So it happened within the same year of me starting standup and meeting him. Yeah. Cool. All right. I've always uh I always thought it'd be a lot of fun to be a comedy writer. I don't know if I I always have a lot of respect for anybody that can get out on stage and do standup because I don't think I could I don't think I'd have the balls to get out there and do the standup, but I always thought it'd be a lot of fun to express my creativity through doing like some comedy writing. Is that is that something that you've you've thought about as well? Like if if you could get in as a writer like on a on a show, sitcom, a cartoon, something like that? Totally. I've written pitch packets. I've written a pilot. I'm working on a feature. So, um, I think you have to be kind of a Swiss Army knife human to be in the entertainment industry anyways. So, I definitely try honing the other skills as well. I'm in like a acting class every Sunday. So, it's definitely about kind of doing doing it all. I really like uh, you know, it's a financial term, but diversification of a portfolio. You know, we're not going to talk asset allocation. Obviously, we're going to talk comedy in your projects. I really like that you're diversified in that. Could you maybe give me an A, B, and C of maybe uh two or three of your favorite projects that you've had and kind of why why you feel that way about each project? Maybe. Kind of a loaded question. You can take it any way you want. Yeah. Um it's interesting because we have like these goals or markers in standup and it's not like other careers that are linear where you get promotions or you get assigned to a certain project. But I would say like I mean I love doing my podcast. I've done it for almost nine years as well. So that's like a really fun outlet for me. Um and then a huge goal in comedy that I had was the Dry Bar special just because it's a big platform. it reaches a lot of people and I always felt really ready to do it and it was one of the most fun experiences to go to Provo, Utah and film, you know, in front of this live audience and they have a whole production house and it was just so cool cuz I also wasn't sure how it would be received by like a Mormon crowd some of my jokes, but they were like the most fun. That's cool. they were really down to have a great time and so I was just blown away by their energy. So yeah, probably that special my podcast and then one of the like again I love doing different stuff. So hosting that show um on Pluto, it was similar to like if you remember Girl Code on MTV where comedians watch clips and then react to them basically. Um, it was very similar to that and I got to work with three other comics and so it was just the us four sitting on a couch reacting to silly clips and we filmed a whole season in one day and jeez it was yeah it was just so much fun and I got to use basically all of my skills because I'm good at hosting and thinking on my feet like improv and um you know my big reactions and comedy like it was supposed to be funny and all this stuff. So, and working with other comics cuz sometimes comedy can be kind of a solitary thing. So, it was a lot of fun. So, I think those I mean those stick out to me as my as my top moments. I noticed on your website that you do it seems like you like to do voiceovers and like especially like uh um like kind of like I don't know like cartoon almost cartoonish uh voiceovers. So, with uh all of the craziness, because I I've been trying to stay on top of as much as I can, but with all the craziness with with AI now and all the things that you can do, have you how much have you thought about about incorporating that, you know, like creating like little uh little cartoons or uh you know, create even I mean, they even have realistic like AI influencers just nuts to me. Have you thought about something like that and then putting a voice behind it? I haven't because I'm so I I wouldn't go as far as to say I'm AI illiterate, but I like I use chat GPT to, you know, for prompts or simple things. I would never have gone as far for like AI animation or anything like that. Um, I like doing silly voices, but it's more like commercial auditions and things like that. So, I haven't really gone that far down the voiceover rabbit hole. How do you um how do you build rapport with your husband through various projects? Is he So, he's in the comedian world, I'm assuming. He got his start in radio, so he's not um a standup comic adjacent enough to understand the grind and be very patient with my schedule because I've also been very patient with his. used to work uh for a morning show

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00 a.m. And being a standup comic, I would usually get home around 2 a.m. So, yeah. Yeah, we used to it was Yeah, we were Yeah, we were watching your uh a little bit of of the podcast with with you and your husband and if nothing else, I mean, you guys have amazing chemistry. you know, bounce off each other really well as as co-hosts. And obviously that's that's really important. You know what I mean? So, so you guys, you know, he definitely makes that work. Yeah. He's he's also a big personality. Like a lot of people think that a comic needs to marry someone that's kind of a wallflower or like lets them shine more where I feel like he's really an equal. He has a big personality. Also very outgoing. We kind of just support each other in moments that I know he's going to shine or I'm going to shine or whatever. So, and thank you. We bonded over. I mean, we clicked initially off of our sense of humor and like our banter and stuff. So, it lends itself well to a podcast, but he is the one, you know, with the radio background that had all of the podcasting equipment already when I moved in with him. So, it was a really natural thing for us to start a podcast together. He had already been in that world for a long time and now he he executive produces um a podcast for Amazon Music and so he's still utilizing those skills. Shout shout out to the improv. My daughter's actually an improv and then I'm a broadcasting major so I I love doing the adlib. I know it's not comedy, but I think what's funny is is we used to get on the microphone and talk about the most minuscule annoying sports we could. as opposed to NBA, we talk sailing or we talk cricket or we talk, you know, just real stuff like that. We thought it was hilarious. And then I think the translation of that is in the real world, in the business world, it's always nice to have that, you know, wow, I I'm surprised they reacted like that and be able to adjust accordingly to that. So, what's maybe an upcoming project or something that you've thought that you want to do, maybe a preview to the audience or your crowd that maybe you haven't done that you would like the opportunity to? Yeah. So, I guess twofold. I I work like comedy clubs, corporates, and then I also do colleges across the US. But a new thing I'm dipping my toe into, I just got a cruise agent. So, I might be performing on cruise ships soon. So, I've heard, you know, mixed reviews from people that work on cruise ships, but I think it'll be an adventure either way. So, I'm excited to see how that goes. And then I am really heavily I've booked a few acting roles recently for YouTube sketch comedy, which is crazy because the people I've booked these sketches with and things, you think, oh, it's just YouTube. I realized when I looked up their channel, they have one of them has 12 subscribers and one of them has 5 million. And so I was like honestly more people might see this sketch than would see a national commercial at some point. Like so I am starting to realize like that I even though I'm doing standup and I still really love it. Like I am definitely still invested in that I don't want to lose the part of me that also loves acting. So I'm just like full-fledged my acting because I post about that too. And um I think I have so much fun. I have an equal amount of fun doing comedy sketches and stuff. Well, YouTube is the I mean, it's the OG for, you know, for the for free videos that you can watch. I I don't see it going anywhere anytime soon. And I think it's only going to get bigger. They're just going to get more creative. And yeah, like you said, I mean, there's you see people with millions and millions of followers. And then there's also people that are just dedicated to No one has cable anymore, so there's people that are dedicated to just watching free YouTube all the time. So, yeah, that's awesome. That's really cool. I like to use quirky analogies, but I think yourself and your family, you're able to kind of pour different ingredients into the pot, if you will, and stir it different directions because I don't know if you agree with me, but from the research that we've done together and just kind of trying to learn to prepare is if you're putting out quality content, it doesn't matter what platform, someone's going to see you and someone's going to get that role. It's a lot easier to be found than it is to currently, you know, constantly solicit people for that next role or upcoming thing. Just kind of an opinion. Agree or disagree? Yeah, I heavily agree. And I it's like the power now that we have with people going viral and then like I've seen it happen for acting um and standup where just stay in your lane, post your clips and if and when they start to blow up, you book your own tour. So similarly with acting um being found or starting to blow up online is keeping the power in your hands which is really cool. Yeah. You mentioned uh Matt Refe earlier and and I'm pretty sure that that's how he got huge was was off Tik Tok, right? I mean he see he already did did his standup but I think Tik Tok is where he really people really started knowing who he was. That's how I learned who he was was from watching Tik Tok kind of. Yeah. Go ahead. It was like a crowdwork clip. I mean, he was doing really well and then he's been doing it for like 15, 17 years or something, but then I think there was one specific clip that blew up that essentially changed the rest of his life. He's great with the improv. Like he he's just he can he can just spit it off, right? I went and saw him when he was in Indianapolis. It's amazing. I wish I had that kind of wit. Like he just had it like sharp sharp as attack the whole time. Yeah. What's maybe a project, kind of a bizarre question, but what's maybe a project that you've been presented with and maybe your husband was like, nah, not not going to happen or maybe like a have you thought about doing this. Is there ever a a discussion there? Obviously, you're going to respect him, he's going to respect you, but is there any not getting controversial, just more more curious to say, ah, that platform is not really for me or no, that project doesn't really fit, you know, my niche or whatever. Got any feed feedback on that maybe? Bless him. He knows that the answer is always good job babe. He I but also he genuinely thinks it's all hilarious because from being a jello wrestler on national TV in a leotard to being on the only fans network to performing for Mormons to like he knows there's never a dull moment. So, and I do for every thing that I book, I do 200 more self tapes. So, he'll come home from work. I have a fake pregnant belly on and I'm doing a self tape audition for that. Life's exciting in your household. That's funny. That's funny. Good stuff. Do you guys do the the prank thing with No, that would not go over if I That would not That would not go over well. I don't like to be scared. I don't like to be like if he were to scare me in our home like I'm from Arkansas so there would not I I live in LA but I'm a gun owner. It wouldn't go well. It wouldn't go well. I have been to our Kansas before uh out there in uh Hot Springs I believe. I saw the Bill Clinton memorial or whatever like that was went out there for a fishing show or whatever. That's all there is. It's just uh it's just Bill Clinton in Walmart. So you saw the whole thing. What type of audience do you like to to kind of be around or or make laugh? I guess you know some people real serious. I think it was funny how you said that the Mormon crowd was was the um interactive. You didn't have to really reserve I guess what you were saying kind of in my own words. But is there a crowd that you wouldn't think of in a certain setting say or do you just kind of obviously read the crowd and kind of go from there? Yeah. I mean, I think that people, it's such a generic answer, but people that are just there to have a good time. I think there's some audiences in LA specifically that are so exposed to comedy shows and the arts constantly that they sometimes arrive to shows like, "Entertain me. Like, let's see if you're good enough," you know? And so, like, while sometimes the Midwest or whatever gets a bad rap, I think the people at those shows sometimes are the most fun because they're just there to laugh and they don't care if you're not an A-list celebrity. And maybe this is their big night of the week and not that they've been to four comedy shows that week and they're bored. I've noticed that. Yeah, I've noticed a lot of the specials that they do like the Netflix specials, you don't they're not really in like like you said like in LA or or or New York or like that like they are typically it seems like in the Midwest. I know Dave Chappelle I think he's from Ohio, right? Like Denise he set up like a big thing in in Ohio and but I think you're probably right, you know, like LA they're kind of just like entertain me, right? So So uh that probably is that probably is true. Is there a crowd that you don't besides LA and I'm not even saying you don't like to be around them, but is there is there a specific kind of crowd that maybe you would be hesitant to go in front of or or have been hesitant to go in front of? I was asked to do a children's show. Um, and open up like be a comic that opened up for a magician. So, it was like the magic show obviously is aimed towards children. When I say children, I mean like six, eight, 10 years old, not like 15. Um, and I'm clean enough to do colleges. I'm clean enough to obviously do comedy in front of the Mormon community, but clean for a six-year-old is different. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. So that I think is I mean I I made my way through the 15minute set because it wasn't that long, but if I had to do an hour in front of six-year-olds, I don't know that I could do it. Yeah. Cuz they're really honest, you know, like you're always kind of, you know, I kind of get that, you know, attention spans. Yeah. Yeah. And then they go home to mom and dad and they're like, "Hey, I learned this, you know, like about, you know, you know, pissing on someone today." I mean, like something random. Um Yeah. So tell us about America's Got Talent. I mean, I'm I'm a I wouldn't say I was like a big American Idol and that kind of fan, but I've always liked Simon Cal. Like you got to like Simon Cal. So like what was that like being on being in front of a panel? And it kind of seemed like at least on the first video that correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you went on there that first time planning on winning. You kind of just were trying to get exposure. Correct. Yeah. The whole thing. Sorry to sorry to ruin TV magic for anyone out there, but the I was I've never wrestled a day in my life and I'm not a jello enthusiast. It was a woman in casting is kind of a friend of mine and she casts uh AG or she was on the casting team for AGT during the pandemic when comedians didn't have much going on at all or shows to perform at. She asked me if I would be willing to do a character, a sketch comedy character that she thought of, which was the jello wrestling character. And I go, "Well, what would I be wrest I be wrestling?" And she was like, "No, no, no. Like the entity of Jello." And I was like,"Okay." And then she was like, "But I'm going to need you to film I'm going to need you to film a like audition video so I can pitch my idea to the producers." And so during the pandemic, I made 42 batches of Jell-O and got a kitty pool off Amazon. Oh my god. And splashed around in a $12 leotard and was like, "Here you go." And then she didn't respond when I sent the video for weeks. Oh no. You're like, "What did I do?" Yeah. So I just assumed that I bombed it. like it just felt like telling a joke and hearing crickets. So, I was like, "Great, never mind. Let's forget this ever happened." And then she called me out of the blue five weeks later and goes, "Hey, you're going to be on TV next week. Like, are you free?" And I was like, "I mean, yeah. Again, it's still the pandemic. Like, I'm very available." And she's like, "You're going to be on America's Got Talent." And I was like, "Yay." And then she goes, "As the Jello character?" And I was like, "Oh, no. Great." So, you knew what to expect. like you knew exactly what was going on when you went on there. The thing that I think is funny is and I have I have a I have a kind of a similar It's like um the more bizarre kind of the like it's a badge of honor to be bizarre. Like I've told Nick and uh you know you can shoot me down and think it's a ridiculous idea, but I want to do an alter ego, you know, podcast sometime and and interview a guest with just like that real like I want to be like extremely arrogant, you know what I mean? and just like kind of like talking and just you know being that because we try to let the person be be the star if you will but I think when you look at the projects and like I wouldn't have guessed that you would have done X project you know what I mean like talking with this crowd or accepting this or quite frankly doing doing the role on America's Got Talent because that's a huge platform but it paid off in its own way you know what I mean it's not always an instant gratification it's more of a long play some of them can be an instant play some of them can be overnight sensation to everything that you know everything that's out there. When you look at um give me some advice for my daughter. You know, my daughter's going into her sophomore year. She's in improv. They've traveled uh to about three or four states competitions. What's your advice to that team embarking upon her second year, but embarking on the team's x amount of years there at the campus? Ooh, that's good. I would say something that I've had to recently remind myself is to stay in my own lane and not get worried about comparing myself to others. I think with social media, we're always looking at, oh, how is this other improv troop doing? Or how is this other standup comic doing? Or oh, they booked that thing or oh, they're touring where I want to be or oh, that bit that they have is funnier than mine or something like that. So, I think like if keep the purity of their group, like if they're having fun doing what they like to do and they're producing art that they think is funny instead of trying to make something that pleases everyone um or comparing themselves to another group and like getting really competitive, it's like it breeds such a toxic I think with Instagram and Tik Tok and people putting a lot of content online, it's great and magical and you can get discovered, but it also makes you then secondguess yourself and compare yourself a lot. So, I think that would be my like biggest tidbit, weirdo analogy, but it's kind of like the artist that has abstracts. Let's stick to what we're good at, not a style that this guy does just to look like one of them. So, I think that's I think that's solid advice. I really like that. Does she do does she do much social media stuff like improv on social media? Uh, they do they do a little bit. I I went to one and she thought, you know, I wouldn't, but I I gave an example of a of a character. I just made up some random name and she was embarrassed that I was involved. All of her friends came up to me and said, "Hey, thanks for volunteering." They did the whole like five minutes of uh cooking a dinner for a family, then 2 minutes, then 60 seconds, 30 seconds, 5 seconds, you know, as an example and it's all random topics that the crowd throws out. So, it's um I don't want to say it's different than what you do, but it it's it's different but the same if that makes sense. Group versus individual setting. Yeah, for sure. So, how do you know how do you know Matt then? I for some reason in my head the last Matt we just talked about was Matt Refe and I was like, "Oh, I don't know him." No, sorry. So, you could have gone with it though. Oh, yeah. We actually he's over here hanging out with us tonight. So, my brain was like, "No, no, I know. I get random sometimes, but how do you know?" Uh, he truly just found me for my podcast. So, it's just podcast inception at this point. Nice. That's cool. You said you've done the podcast for nine years. That's amazing. H how do you and I agree it's a great outlet. We never like when we started we've done it just a little over a year and we never actually it's even been a little longer. It was a year in February. Um and it started out just as kind of like like you said like a creative outlet, you know, just fun, something we could do because we work together so it was like something we could do like a little camaraderie outside of work. But um how do you keep from like how do you keep it new and fresh and and keep from getting like like going through burnouts and all that because you know it's it's hard to just be like okay we're not going to do it for a couple weeks. You know you got to have like the consistency and everything. So how do you it's probably more fun with your husband but how do you keep it you know how do you keep it fresh and and keep it exciting? Yeah I think we've only missed a handful of weeks in the nine years. We release one every Monday. So, it's been a long road or like if we're out of town, you know, we'll pre-record something. But, yeah, I think keeping it fresh by rotating segments. So, a evergreen segment that we've always had is the judge Judy moment of the week where I gripe about a small injustice during the week. Uh, and then decide who's in the right and who, you know, what judgment we're going to rule upon. Someone like someone that cut me in line at the grocery store, judgment to the plaintiff, you know, that energy. I like that. Yeah. But we rotate segments. So, we used to do like Facebook memory segment or [ __ ] babe says, which is when I used to talk in my sleep. So we've we keep it fresh by by like adding new fun segments for sure. And then just life helps us keep it fresh because a lot of our material just comes from stuff that has happened to us recently. And so it's very similar to my standup where it's just like animated stories from our life. So I like to judge our guest wrong, right, or indifferent. But I think what's interesting from the conversation we've had is you're open to new projects. you don't take yourself too seriously. You're willing to put your neck out there and try new stuff. You're constantly doing other things. I think it's very uh interesting that you have the dynamic with your husband. He's in the area, but he also I I don't want to speak for you, but Nick actually fulfills the um technology side of our operation. So, when it comes to the technology side, I'm weak, but I never got to use my broadcasting over a 25 year period. Right. So, I guess what I'm saying is pipes is it's it's cool to be involved and I can see why you're friends with Matt, our friend. Um, I can see why you're successful doing what you're doing. And it's always you may plateau, but in all reality, you've always got that thing that you're chasing. So, I think that always keeps it to where it's challenging, it's fresh. you know, your material may be the same when you do x amount of um sketches or whatever, wrong word there, drips and things, but you're always constantly able to do stuff. And I think I think what's interesting is just being able to turn some stuff down, which it sounds like, you know, you probably have to if I'm guessing, you know, you got to be selective with that. So, it's been it's been interesting. I think when a person's optimistic and they and they like to do stuff, it's interesting as to, you know, what opportunity could come. It'd be funny to just hear a year from now, you know, this random opportunity came to me and I ran with it. I I can't think of a specific, but you know, just uh kind of throwing that out there. Katie, where can everybody find you? Like if they want if they want to watch your podcast or your standup uh your YouTube, where's where are you uh where all where are you at? Yeah, all my handles are Katie Kdy, K A T I E, the letter K comedy. So, it's all Tik Tok, Instagram, YouTube, Facebook, all of it's under KDK Comedy um or my website or any of that. So, I link all my upcoming shows. I post my special clips. You can find my album under that. So, all one-stop shop. Man, you left out with that with that domain and that handle, right? So, that's everything. That's great. I can't believe it wasn't take it. Well, that's what I was thinking. I'm like, but you have been doing it for a while. So, you know, I'm so lame. A guy came up to me that was kind of mentally challenged is the way that I'm going to put it to be nice. So, what's a cow with three legs? Is it the lean beef? It's lean beef. Yeah. And then a cow with no legs is ground beef. Right. My humor my humor is Oh. So, now what I'm going to leave what I'm going to leave this podcast with is is since my humor is so lame and yours is at a higher level, that's why you're doing what you're doing and that's why we're doing the podcast. Right, Nick? That's right. Excuse me. Last question that I have for you. Living out in California, uh I lived in San Diego 20 years ago. I went to LA probably six, eight times. I'm going to pay it a compliment and say it's culturally diverse. There's things to do there that you can't always do. Um my send off to you would be educate me in Los Angeles verse the rest of the United States. Like I know I know some people are holding you to that high standard kind of like a Madison Square Garden in basketball, but just uh kind of I'm going to be quiet and let you kind of fascinated to hear what hear what her answer is. LA versus the rest of the United States. Let's focus on LA. You're on a Thursday

night. It's 8: 30:57

30. You hit the stage. Go from there. You know, what do you kind of expect with an LA crowd versus the rest of the United States? Um, I mean, an LA crowd think they're into they're a little bit a little bit more highbrow or a little bit more like they're culturally and politically woke and they they don't want like the lowest hanging fruit. They don't really want a fart joke. They don't really want like super blue collar. It definitely works sometimes, but I think they're more into like on a Thursday night here, I would do jokes about my therapist or something like that more than I would do like [ __ ] myself at an amusement park like you know what I mean? So, I think I would just curate it. But I really do try to listen to the beginning of the show of what they're responding like to other comedians. And if you know, comics doing a joke and it seems like they clam up like it's they're doing a dark joke about someone that they know that died because dark humor is hilarious, but some people don't like it and they pull back. Then I won't do any of my dark jokes when I go onto stage after them because I notice that. So, it really is dependent, but I think just as a region, I try to avoid like the lowhanging fruit when I'm in LA. Very good. Very good. I always thought LA was interesting because you have a small venue and then the Red Hot Chili Peppers are playing. It's like a 300 seat venue where they can fill up 50,000 seats. But point I'm making is that was my experience. So, it was a it was a great city. Really really liked it. You can do pretty much anything. Yeah. Like there's just a comics. celebrities that will drop into a bar show. So, and there's so many obviously there's the main clubs all within 10 minutes of each other as well, but there's I've been on so many lineups where oh, we have a surprise drop in what and this is a room of 50 people, but they are working out material for their next special. So, totally like that happens all the time. I have to throw this out here cuz I love the show and everybody I talk most people I talk to they're like you need they either haven't heard of it or they haven't taken the time to watch it. But have you watched Hacks? Oh my gosh, it's my lifeblood. Oh my god, isn't that the best? Okay, thank God I finally found somebody that likes that show, you know. But yeah, I love that show so much. Nobody knows what I'm talking about, but yeah, that's just great. I love their dynamic and all that. Is you find a can you relate to some of that? I mean, not maybe not that specific, but like can you relate to some of that stuff? Yeah. And then uh the comic she scouted um on this last season and like one of the last three episodes like know him. I wouldn't say we're like besties, but we've done shows together. So, it was just like a cool inception moment because I was like, "Oh, there he is." You know? Yeah. That's really cool. So, being extremely polished and distinguished and, you know, all this other good stuff, if you were telling one of your friends or co-workers or whatever about our podcast, would we stay off the do not contact these guys to be on their podcast list? Of course. Yeah. Success, D. Good job. Good job. Good job. Definitely endorse endorse the mosaic line. So you're good. Very good. Do you have any advice for us as a as a seasoned podcast host? Any advice for for our podcast? It's a good question. I would just say stay consistent, which it seems like you already do. And don't be afraid to pick a strong point of view because no one I feel like it's more interesting to listen to people that really speak their mind and don't just try to play both sides. Yeah, agreed. All right, cool. Well, thank you very much, Katie. It has been a lot of fun. This again, Katie K, she gave her gave her contact information, her websites, her different social media platforms, and we'll make sure that we put all that in the show notes and in the uh description on YouTube. But hey, we look forward to to maybe talking again eventually and can anytime I we have a guest on, I can always picture like, you know, this would be a cool idea to get this person and this person together. So, you know, we we may be reaching back out again sometime soon. Cool. Yeah. Thank you so much for having me. This was fun. Appreciate the hospitality. Continued success in the rest of the year. Thank you. I'm going to