Best Part of Earth Day?? Our Interview With Pro Fisherman and Texas Roadhouse Sponsored Mike DelVisco

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I mean, it's been beneficial for both of you because I've noticed that just searching your name, that's one of the, I mean, other than fishing, that's one of the biggest things that I've found. I found, I saw right off the bat, like probably five or six, um, Videos that had to do with you and and texas roadhouse, you know, and even a news story that they did You know where they were talking about how you were at the local texas roadhouse in terra haute And you know to come down and see you and that you were giving out fishing advice and um, I think bait too, right? Is that what they said or lures? Yeah, we do the the cool thing about this every restaurant that I go do an appearance at we give away a fishing prize package with You know, gear from my sponsors and it's kind of handpicked by me, so, so the, you know, the fishing companies get the exposure for me going and doing a non endemic promo with a non endemic fishing sponsor, so, so it works great for everybody. Welcome to Mosaic Minds, the podcast where every episode is a colorful blend of perspectives, ideas and conversation. Each week, our diverse team of hosts brings their unique backgrounds, experiences and interests to the table. Mosaic Minds is your invitation to join the conversation to see the world through a kaleidoscope of viewpoints. So grab a seat, tune in and let the Mosaic Minds flow. What was it that inspired you to, uh, pursue a career in professional bass fishing? So, it all kind of started with, uh, you know, my dad and my granddad taking me fishing when I was a kid. And, and really I didn't know anything about bass fishing tournaments. You know, it was Pretty much an obscure thing back then. You know, nobody really became a professional bass fish. And there was a, probably a handful of guys, but you know, I just, just like to go fishing and, uh, I got introduced to it, I guess when I was about 15 or 16 years old at a local tackle store in town where the, the owner was actually in an adult bass fishing club. So they had a junior division, which they would host. Kids that were 15, 16, 17 years old. And, uh, I joined that club and learned a little bit more about bass fishing and a little bit more about tournament fishing from the adults and kind of got my, uh, my, my introduction to it then. And then I joined the, the adult club when I was 18 and started to do pretty well and, uh, had an opportunity to go fish my first professional tournament. Uh, when I was a senior in high school and loved every minute of it, it was a great experience and I've been doing it ever since and kind of figured out things as I went along, how to, how to actually do it and, um, how to make it work because the fishing end is just a very, very small part of it. Mike, my travel partner and I were talking just on the way back, you know, you're waking up at two o'clock in the morning, you know, you're driving two or three hours these tournaments you're fishing all day, but I think, uh, I think for people that don't understand, you know, um, I'm going to give a little insight, but you know, when you're traveling to parts of the country, you haven't seen her in your case, you've been down that road 20, 30, 40 times, or hundreds of times in some cases, but I think you're out in areas just getting fresh air, seeing God's country all over the great country that we live in and, uh, bass fishing. There's nothing like it. I mean, I've played two or three sports, but when all those boats are packed up together, they're starting to be on the speakers. They play the stars and stripes and you're getting ready to gun to your first spot. Explain to us a little bit about what you think, maybe mentally, uh, run into that first spot for the day, you know, dodging boats, dodging waves, et cetera, to that first, to that first place you're going to go fish. Yeah, it's probably the most fun part of the, uh, of the, the tournament day, that and putting the first fish in the boat and putting the, putting the last fish in the boat to, you know, fill in your limit and, and not always, uh, easy as it sounds. Sometimes, you know, we spend. Days and days practicing and looking for fish and anticipating, you know, what's going to happen during tournament day. And, you know, perfect examples is I just, I just got back from a week long trip and, and, uh, had an event at old Hickory lake in Nashville, Tennessee. And every single day of practice, it was cloudy, windy, and rainy. And then tournament day was bright, sunny and no wind. So, you know, you have to kind of. Judge. Okay. That what I did in practice may not be anything near what I did during the tournament. And, um, it's all of these little things that, you know, it's kind of that preparation, um, leading up to the event and making the adjustments, you know, that the first, uh, when they blast us off the other day of the morning, it was great. I was all excited and, you know, I get to my first spot and there's six boats, you know, sitting on this one stretch that I want to fish. And, uh, I, I didn't let it discourage me, uh, I said, well, let me just go mingle around here a little bit and see what's going on. And, and luckily they weren't biting at all. Um, it was pretty cold. It was kind of foggy and it just, it just didn't feel right. And you as a fisherman, you can understand that when it doesn't feel right. Um, I, I stayed an hour left and, um, went to a place that I never even pre fished. It's just a little known spot that I've got. I pulled up there and caught a keeper right away and that keyed me in on on how to catch a few more. And, you know, just kind of ran with it, you know, that day. But, you know, it's that whole process. If you've never experienced it, um, on on that kind of level, it's just, it's hard to describe what it is. I guess it's like any sport and any kind of competition that the competitiveness in us, even though we're not really. You know, competing against the other fishermen were competing against the fish. We're trying to figure out how to catch the fish or the biggest fish or the most fish on that given day. And that's that's kind of what I really like. And, you know, I still get Uh, you know, knots in my stomach when I'm, when I'm catching a fish, you know, you figure I've been doing this 42 years. How, how hard is it to, you know, hook a fish and put them in the boat? But man, you, you catch one about three or four pounds and it's like, it's the first one you ever caught. So it's, uh, it's really exciting. I guess when it stops being exciting, then it's time to take up something else. Yeah. Since you do this professionally, um, is there anything that you do to prepare before a tournament, either physically or mentally or both? Um, physically, not so much, but you know that just the repetition, you know, of fishing, you know, it's like anything. I find that if I hadn't fished for a while that, you know, you just get a little rusty and, um, you know, your mechanics are, uh, excuse me, not that it's not as good as they would if you're, you know, you're fishing every single day. Um, the, the biggest thing is your decision making, you know, what it, it, you know, Not that it's easy. It's ever easy, but you can kind of anticipate a little bit about what's gonna happen based upon what you did in the past. And kind of what I mean by that is I was on the on the water seven straight days from You know, sun up to sundown practicing and I, and I knew that particular tournament day when I would see things change and I knew what to go do to catch either a bigger fish or fill a limit or, or get a couple initial bites during the, uh, During the, you know, the start of the day that they get me going. So I guess that mental side is really the, the important thing. You know, all of us kind of at, at this level can, you know, we can cast, we can catch fish, we know how to do it, but it's the decision making really that comes down to, you know, having a really good day or having a mediocre day. Mike, what I like about fishing that I try to explain to people that don't really fish is, uh, I wasn't an advanced mathematician by no means, but I'm going to say that there's equations out here that get you to a specific answer. Fishing is not like that. You know, it's bluebird skies. Like you said, it was windy yesterday. It was an overnight cold front tomorrow morning. It's exact opposite of that. So when you're preparing, do you have a pretty good game plan and then you let the day dictate what decisions you make. Do you have more or less spots like walk me through maybe how you're processing information throughout a tournament day. Yeah. Um, and I'll go back to this event that I just finished up. Um, the, I had a, a pretty solid pattern that I, that I knew based upon, you know, water temperature and water, you know, what the level of the lake was and how the fish were reacting to what I was fishing that, you know, I could go catch five fish doing that pretty, I wouldn't say pretty easy, but, you know, when you, you know, When they started to bite, it didn't take long to, you know, to put a, put a limit in the boat. I was fishing ultra shallow, but I wasn't getting a lot of, um, big bites doing that. I knew, you know, yeah, I can, I can catch a limit doing this, but, you know, to try to catch a big fish, I might have to try to do something else. And I stumbled upon, uh, something that was a little bit different from what I was doing in practice. A little bit deeper, a little bit different. You know, more of a, what they call pre, pre spawn or, or early season fishing, which is, um, you know, kind of intercepting them before they get to where I was actually catching them, if that makes any sense. And, and I had, I only had two bites doing that, but I had a little confidence in it, and, and that's actually what led me to be able to catch, you know, the first three or four fish during the day. And then ultimately what led me to. be able to put together how was catching some better ones during the tournament. Uh, totally different area, but it keyed me in. Um, you know, every, every bite that you get in a specific area or a bait or, or retrieved kind of tells you something that's, you know, it's all those little pieces of the puzzle that you put together. And I realized that the quality fish were coming a little bit More off the bank, uh, still fairly shallow and, you know, four to five foot of water, isolated, um, cover, whether it was a log out in the middle of nowhere or a piece of brush or a stick up, or, you know, the old Hickory Lake has tons of this stuff, um, in the, in the cover that was closest to where I was catching them super shallow in practice was where I was getting the better bite. So, you know, it's just all those little things that you kind of pick up on. you know, during the course of the day that hopefully Give you the keys to go put something together. What advice do you think you would give to somebody that was, that someone knew that was looking to make a name for themselves in, in that circuit? You know, if they, if they wanted to stand out from, you know, just, uh, kind of an, maybe they go to some tournaments, but just kind of an amateur, um, angler, what would you, what advice would you give them? Yeah, boy, it's a, it's a lot tougher now than it was. When I was growing up kind of doing this, not that it was easy back then. Cause you know, to be a professional bass fisherman 40 years ago was, uh, you know, you kind of got laughed at you're going to, you know, how are you going to do that for a living? So there's a lot more opportunity now for, especially with high school fishing, college fishing, you know, you can get a scholarship to go fishing. And yeah, it's pretty, it's really cool. Um, and you can propel yourself from the college level right into, you know, Uh, some pretty major tournaments and there's a lot of really, really good young kids out there now that are, you know, 20, 25 years old that are, that are fishing, you know, elite tour level. Stuff and do it really good. But I guess my advice is that, you know, for every guy that you see make it, there's probably a thousand that don't, it's a, it's a competitive, it's a brutally competitive, um, uh, sport. And, uh, the business side of this sport is kind of really Rob, I've made all my, my money over the years. You know, when you, when you tally up tournament winnings versus, you know, how many years you've done it versus. Uh, your entry fees and, and expenses and stuff, you really don't make a lot of money. Nobody really does. Um, but you can have a very, very good, successful career with sponsor endorsements. Mm-Hmm. speaking engagements. Um, all of these other things that, that go into, you know, to sport. And that's the, the lesson I learned early on was, you know how to work with. Media and I've been highly successful doing that for four decades. I think what's cool, Mike, and that's a perfect segue for the direction I wanted to go. I can even see the logo in the bottom right corner of your screen there. Texas roadhouse. I, I like to tell a college angler or aspiring angler, you know, look for your local insurance agent, look for a local restaurant. I'm going to let you mention who you work with, but I think, I think Can you speak a little bit on maybe the non fishing side of the fishing industry from a sponsorship level, just kind of a one on one crash course, just a real quick synopsis maybe of what you're thinking about there? Yeah, so that was, um, and I take it that you're talking about the non endemic, you know, there's a ton of different fishing companies, but there's not many non fishing companies that are involved in bass fishing. There was at one time. I've got, I'm now in my 21st year, um, with, uh, Texas Roadhouse Brands, which is, you know, Texas Roadhouse. And then they're one of their other brands, Bubba's 33, and their newer brand Jaggers. And, um, I, I, this was coming about, I guess, 20 some odd years ago, you started to see a couple of. Um, guys putting together teams of people, uh, that there was one that was Kelly tires, I remember they were one of the first ones and there was another guy too, and his name escapes me. But he was a, um, a marketing executive that, um, represented Coca Cola and some other brands, and he did a team of three or four guys and, you know, so what they were trying to do is, is ultimately they were trying to turn, take what NASCAR had done. Uh, and turn it into fishing. So we were starting to see the very 1st, um, wrap boats and wrap trucks and make it more of a, um, a benefit to non fishing companies. And a few of them got in and I was actually talking with another. Uh, restaurant company back in, and I'm glad I didn't sign with them because they're not in business anymore. And I was very close to having a deal put together with them. And I ate in a Texas Roadhouse restaurant. I'll never forget this. And I, the minute I walked in the door and, and I looked around and the atmosphere and the service and the food and everything that Texas Roadhouse is known for, um, I loved it. It was great. And I said, man, I've never ate in one of these restaurants before. What's what's the, I need to put the brakes on this other deal. This might be a really good opportunity. And, uh, it took me about a year. I got to meet some people at the local level and they introduced me to some higher ups and regional, uh, marketing. And then I finally got a, uh, finally got a meeting with the corporate office and I, and I walked in and the first thing I said to him was, Um, you know, I can't guarantee you that I can, you know, uh, get you a lot of exposure by fishing tournaments. I said, the tournaments are great and it ties a lot of things together. I says, but the thing I can guarantee you is that I do. X amount of, um, events around the country each year, whether it be seminars or promotions or store, uh, in store promos with tackle dealers. And, you know, we can even take that and include your restaurants in it too, where we can do meet and greets and, and, and get your restaurants involved in what I'm doing too. And it'd be a great thing that no one else is doing. Um, and I said that that could be, you know, guaranteed exposure. Yeah, I noticed too that, uh, just by searching your, I mean, it's been beneficial for both of you because I've noticed that just searching your name, that's one of the, I mean, other than fishing, that's one of the biggest things that I found. I found, I saw right off the bat, like probably five or six, um, Videos that had to do with you and and texas roadhouse, you know, and even a news story that they did You know where they were talking about how you were at the local texas roadhouse in tarahote And you know to come down and see you and that you were giving out fishing advice and um, I think bait too, right? Is that what they said or lures? Yeah, we do Uh, the the cool thing about this every restaurant that I go do an appearance at we give away a fishing prize package with You know, gear from my sponsors and it's kind of handpicked by me. So, so the, you know, the fishing companies get the exposure for me going and doing a non endemic promo with a non endemic fishing sponsor. So, so it works great for everybody. When I was talking to Nick, just kind of intro on you. So he would familiarize himself with how I knew you. It was, uh, you were one of the first people I met. I mean, I can remember it like it was yesterday. I'm going to put it. Somewhere in the 10 to 12 year range might be butch in the pronunciation because I'm not a local but that Chihuahua Park or Chill highway park. Yeah, Chihuahua Park. There you go. And Right there at the bottom of the stairs. You were right by the radio station right on cue You know, you're by the radio station. You had your own setup You were very humble with me, you know coming from Indiana I didn't know anybody and and you just kind of showed me the ropes and I really appreciate that over the years and seeing you Seeing you progress, seeing you out there and hopefully you feel the same about me, you know, traveling around the country and going to shows and meeting people. Um, what do you, what do you take away from the shows? Maybe? I mean, obviously you got speaking engagements and meeting people, but do you look forward to the shows as much as you do fishing? Would you rather do one or the other or a combination of the two? I guess. You know, I liked them both cause it's kind of one's a break from the other. Um, The shows really get me kind of pumped up to go fish because I'm talking about it, you know, and in the show season, you know, for those of people who don't know, uh, January, February, a little bit of March, and there's some other shows that go into, you know, March or April, but usually by about the, that first or second week of March, I'm, I'm pretty much done and it's time to go fish, but there's a, a sport show. You know, every single weekend and probably multiple multiple cities all over the country going on all at the same time. And, you know, another 1 other than the East Tennessee fishing show, which is, you know, right here in my own backyard and 1 that you've done a bunch of times. Jason is, you know, the Indianapolis boat sport travel. So I think that's probably the 1st time that I had. Become aware of you and your products. And, um, that that's, that was actually even before the East Tennessee show, because I've, I've spoken at Indy for 30 years and, uh, I remember, you know, seeing you guys there. So, um, yeah, the sport shows are nice and it's, you know, it's a way to kind of pass some time when there's no fishing going on and, but, uh, but come March, I'm, I'm ready to get going. And, you know, I've got to run now. You know, I fished all last week. I'm getting ready to leave again tomorrow for another event. Uh, so I've got one this, this week coming up, another one next week, another one the week after, and another one the week after. So I've got almost four straight weeks of, of being on the water. I mean, back on Monday and out again, or, you know, kind of regrouping, so. I'm going to be, uh, I'm going to be wore out after, after another month. You know, I'm not as young as I used to be. So, um, you know, you gotta kind of pace yourself a little bit when you're not at a tournament. If, when you're, when you're fishing, what are some of your, um, do you have some favorite locations to fish or do you, you said you, I think you said you live on a lake, right, or you live by a lake, uh, is that, is that one of your spots? Yeah. I live right here on Douglas Lake, which is in East Tennessee. And it's a, it's a fantastic lake to go fish. It's full of fish. And, uh, and just a fun place to fish. So, um, I'll get out, um. A little bit, you know, I won't fish like full days when I'm home. I may come, you know, if the fishing is really good, like it's getting to be, you know, here the next couple of months, it's going to be really good. It's going to be top water season coming up pretty soon. So, you know, I'll get out in the morning for a little bit. I'll go, you know, three, four hours and go mess around. Having the lake right here in the backyard is nice. Cause I can, I can be in the water here and, you know, less than five minutes and, uh, and go out and fish for a couple hours, come back and get on with my day. Well, I'm sure jealous Mike is Indiana has some good waters, you know, central Indiana. We've got some fisheries But when I say fisheries, I think in the south you guys really mean fisheries, you know, Kentucky Lake I frequent six seven times a year in tournaments and you know You're talking about running 80 90 miles and probably not even going in to in you know on a body of water like that Talk to us a little bit about the central location It was there a reason that you chose to live where you do because I know you can drive You three, four, five hours in multiple directions and be at some of the best fisheries that you know, all the bass magazines talk about. So maybe talk a little bit about being in a good centralized location. That definitely had a lot to do with it. Um, I used to live in South Carolina. I lived there for about 15 years and I lived just outside of Greenville and great place to go live. One of my best friends still lives there. And, uh, the problem was I didn't have a lake. Um, you know, I'm a backyard to fish. I had to go always go travel. So, you know, when I'd come home off the road and I'd have to, you know, go drive an hour to go fish a lake, I just wasn't taking full advantage of that time, you know, when I wasn't competitively fishing to be able to get there and go fun fish, you know, we had a couple of little lakes, but, um, you know, nothing that I could put the, you know, put my, my boat on. So, um, I started to look up. Transcribed Um, outside a little bit. And of course, you know, when I'm traveling to going over the mountains, if you're ever driven from, you know, South Carolina over to Tennessee, you know, it's only about, you know, a two hour ride, but you know, it's right up over the mountain, so, uh, that got to be a little bit old doing that drive 50 or 60 times a year, wear your car out. Yeah. Uh, yeah. And wear yourself out too. So. Uh, so I started to look a little bit and I, I was doing some, actually some promotional stuff for, for Texas Roadhouse in the, in the Knoxville area. And got to really like Douglas Lake and, um, fished it a bunch of times and said, man, this would be a pretty cool place to maybe try to find something. And, you know, I got, I got pretty lucky and found the house right on the lake. And it had everything. I had a pretty extensive wishlist of what I wanted. And, um, the first of which was enough room to get all my tackle and my boat in, uh, in the garage. And that's the first thing I did. I didn't even look at the house. I just went in with the tape measure and measured the garage and go, okay, this is perfect. Let's do it. Got to have your priorities, right? Like, yeah, exactly. Right. So, uh, yes, I've been here ever since. Love it. And, uh, the East Tennessee is a great place to live. What's a, uh, what's a, what's a piece of advice that you have us building the podcast? So, uh, Mike, just so you know, our format's kind of different. It's actually sports, music, kind of arts. So we don't have a niche into fishing. I'm just connected in fishing. What's your advice to maybe starting that out and, uh, kind of expanding out and hoping to build a solid network there. Yeah, I did actually see that when, when I was, um, I did a brief little checkout of some of your past shows and yeah, it's pretty cool being able to do. You know, a wide range of stuff because, you know, like me, I mean, I fish for a living, but like I told you before, I love to cook too. So, so I watch a lot of cooking stuff, you know, whether it's on TV or online or whatever, you know, so, so things like that interest me, um, you know, making a new dish or something I hadn't tried before, you know, just. Just kind of watching it. Maybe that, Hey, maybe that's next for you. You know, maybe open up a, like a, a seafood place or something. Do you like to eat fish? Um, yeah, I, I do. However, I would, I like saltwater fish. I don't like a lot of freshwater. Yeah. I'm the same way. Yeah. Um, you know, they come out of the ocean, they're already seasoned. So, so you're right there. Uh, so yeah, I do like the saltwater stuff, but, uh, like I tell you, yeah, Italian food's my, kind of my specialty. Um, I think if I owned a restaurant, I've been asked this question a million times because a lot of people know that I like to cook. And, um, if I owned a restaurant, I would not have a, um, a set. Well, I would not have a menu. It would be a set and it would be on reservation only. That would be a small table setting, maybe, you know, 10 or 12, somewhere between eight, eight and 12. Um, You can only get in by reservation. So the play, I want the place booked in months in advance, you know, waiting list three months to get in at Mike's restaurant, you're going to eat what I cooked for you that night. So now you'll hook it up with us, right? Since, since we got, since we got some rapport with you, you're going to, you'll slip us in, you know, I might make a homemade lasagna one night. I mean, you might make it do a homemade pappardelle with. You know meatballs or whatever sausage, you know imported sausage or whatever monday that's in that, you know whole whole spiel, but I think that's the key man because I mean, you know There's so many restaurants now and I I you know the percentage of restaurants that that don't make it are are pretty high, you know, and especially after after covid and everything, but But yeah, I think that'd be the key is to have something like that to where, you know, people, people were clamoring to come to, you know, cause they couldn't necessarily feel a little bit more exclusive, you know, and I assume you probably be open probably not during the day and probably the evening hours and the weekends and that sort of thing. Yeah. Short, uh, you know, five to nine or whatever like that. Mike, I like the format of the restaurant. There's a eatery there in Bloomington, Indiana, in a college town that does exactly that. You're allotted 90 minutes, it's all experience based, it's all reservations based, and like you said, you don't just go to a basketball game and get in there. You've, you've, you've done this. So, Mike, out of respect to your travel time here, um, I know you've got some sponsors and things, and I think that's always a benefit of being on a show like this. You've always treated me right. Uh, on your end with the media standpoint, is there any sponsors you want to specifically mention and maybe talk about your next upcoming tournament and then we'll wrap up from there because I know you've got some stuff that you want to get to. Yeah, um, yeah, so tomorrow for Alabama Lake Martin, uh, it is a really, really fun place to go fish. I'm, I'm super excited to, uh, to fish it. Last time I fished there. Was, um, just around this time, 12 or so years ago, and I had a second place finish in a, in a really, um, high profile event. So, I'm interested to see how much it's changed. I have not fished there in, you know, a decade. So, uh, it's going to be interesting and I can, I can picture in my mind the fish that I've caught in that lake over the years. Um, so yeah, getting ready to head out there. But, um, the response is really good. Um, you know, I, I don't know how you do this without, without them, you know, companies that I'm, that I'm with, I've been with an awful long time, uh, kind of pride myself and my loyalty to people and companies that stick by me. I'm sticking by them, uh, obviously Texas Roadhouse for the last 21 years. Um, you know, kind of keep me going on the road there. They're super great to me and, uh, couldn't ask for a better corporate partner to do everything I do. Um, Phoenix boats been with them from the, from the very start of their existence. Uh, that was back in. 2008, I think it's when they started to produce boats. So I've been with them. Ever since they opened the doors, best boat on the market, uh, Mercury Marine been with them for an awful long time to, uh, wouldn't have anything power on my boat. Um, Fishing gear, ducat fishing, uh, fantastic fishing rods that match up. I like to go fishing. It's my style. My style of fishing rods right there. Uh, Rapala brands, uh, Rapala VMC, Storm, Terminator, Um, in Suffolk's fishing line, and then a brand new to them. It's Crush City. You've probably seen some of that stuff, Jason. Uh, Crush City line of plastics. It's what's, you know, it's winning a ton of high profile tournaments right now. So super good stuff from them. Uh, Prime 1, uh, outdoors, sunglasses, and camo patterns. That's the camo pattern on the boat, the truck, and all that. So. Really fun and then a brand new, which I just, um, just solidified here in the last week, and it's powerful. If you've ever seen the, uh. The big long tubes on the back of everyone's bass fishing boat, those things are electric anchors, and those are called power poles. So they, you push a button, they go down like a big pair of cricket legs and they hold your boat in place. Oh, that's cool. So you can fish a spot more effectively. And they have different sizes, you know, 6 feet to 8 feet, as much as 10 foot poles that will go down in the water and secure your boat so you don't drift around. That's pretty cool. Uh, but they also have a brand new trolling motor out called the Move Trolling Motor. And I've got one ready to go, uh, on my, on my boat here pretty soon. And, and also charging system. So they're involved in a lot of different, um, technology aspects, efficient, and that's one thing that I've, that I've done in this industry a lot is, is focused on technology stuff from our, you know, sonar and board facing, sonar and live stuff. And 360, uh, it's what I do all my seminars on. I don't know. One of the reasons I've been around this business. Do they hold the, uh, do they hold a patent for that anchoring system? Um, so there's another, um, company that makes some too. So I don't think they have a patent on, on, on the logistics, the technology side of it or whatever. Yeah. Okay. Well, before, before we let you go, can you share like, um, can you share a fishing tip or a fishing trick that's consistently worked for you well over the years that if you, if someone were just to ask you what's your best tip, you know, what would you normally tell them? Yeah. Um, I kind of just tell people to have fun, you know, fishing is fun when it, when it comes down to it, it's fun to catch a fish. Um, and in whatever way that you like to catch a fish, Um, is works for you. It's fun. Uh, I don't get it wrapped up too much with. Oh, this guy's doing this or that guy's doing that. Or, you know, the whole this what's called forward facing sonar. It's like the talk of all the tournaments now, because there's a lot of Germans getting 11 with technology and, um, some people like it. Some people hate it. I've got, I make my own feelings about it too. And it's just another tool to help us catch some fish. But, At the end of the day, you know, when I'm, when I'm looking to get out there, I'm looking to have some fun and just go catch some fish. And, you know, I love fishing shallow water. I love seeing a fish, you know, explode on top water. You know, blow up on, on a frog or, you know, well, this, this, here's a question I didn't have on the list, but it just made me think of that when you were talking about the sonar. But where do you, do you feel like that this is, I guess this might be, uh, might be slightly political in the fishing arena. But, um, do you feel like that there's a line where fishing has become more about money for some people than it has been about the actual fun of the, of the, um, hobby? Um, I think down deep, everybody's doing it because they love to go fish. Um, certainly the, the money aspect comes into play because, you know, there's a lot, there's a lot at stake now, and there's an awful lot of guys that are, um, you know, putting their own money up to try to win it back. And that's basically what a tournament is. You know, you're, you're paying interest fee and you're trying to win your money back. Um, if, if you happen to win one and do real good, well, you've won some of somebody else's money back too. So, um, It's uh similar to poker, right? Hey mike, where can we find you on social media then we're gonna wrap up with you man Yeah, pretty easy. Uh, mike delvisco fishing or just mike delvisco on on facebook um, those are probably the two easiest ways if somebody wants to check out any of the The sonar stuff. I have a website. It's called get hyphen sonar. com Um, i've got a bunch of tutorial stuff there. I actually got a sonar force and things like that You can go check that stuff out. So it's get hyphen seminar. com. Okay, we'll get yeah We'll make sure we get that up there for you Yeah, great talking to you continued success in 2024 and the rest of the year Look forward to seeing it shows the beginning of the year if not running to you before or so Uh, good guess is always easy conversation Some good antidotes for people moving forward and, uh, definitely tight lines for you and, uh, have an enjoyable year in 2024. Awesome. Yeah. Thanks for coming on. I appreciate it. Take care.